Great Parayan
2004-04-21 09:13:42 UTC
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From: Great Parayan (***@blackplanet.com)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS DESTROYED HINDU TEMPLES
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Date: 2004-04-19 03:00:19 PST
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In this thread and other threads, I have asked several times to
produce a brahmin
who fulfills the hindus' criteria of brahminhood.
It is presumed that no such brahmin exists!!!
Now some more questions.
1. Any fake brahmins who claim brahminhood and recievr service from
hindus in the name
of their brahminhood?
2. Is it sin as per hinduism to serve a fake brahmin?
3. Is it sin as per hinduism to serve a non-brahmin?
You have profusely studied Valmiki, so that you can only utter that
Valmiki support your racist ideas. But You failed to give any quotes
from Valmiki
to support your points.
[Valmiki – author of first hindu epic 'Ramayanna']
You claimed Valmiki substantiate your points. Now it becomes others
burden to learn and find
out how Valmiki substantiate your points. You demand google-readers
should
learn Valmiki and answers your questions. Oh, I see, you cannot work
and others should serve your purpose.
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Rama!
in order that one may attempt to conquer him.
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[Bhangies are the people forcefully absorbed to hindu social system,
known
as Varnna Darma(VD). They are given job of cleaning cleaning as
duty of their varnna. Hindus regard Bhangies that theyare destined so
by hindu gods.]
As a brahmin, one thing is clear to you. A bhamgi and other Dalits
cannot be
caompassinate and selfless.
It settle suits in favor Doctors to Carpenters. If you work and do not
harm others,
you will be insulted, abused and denied justice]
We understood. Carpenters and Doctors cannot be compassionate,
selfless, wise and supremely
devoted to God, as per hindu-wisdom.
Being a brahmin is engaging a profession
(like a doctor/carpenter engaging into theirs)
or an attitude/outlook toward the world???
A doctor can be carpenter and a carpenter can be a Doctor also.
A brahmin cannot visualize doctor/carpenter being compassionate and
selfless.
A brahmin cannot respect, care, love and support a non-brahmin.
A brahmin teaches loving, caring, serving and supporting a non-brahmin
is like empowering a Devil.
Every body knows all brahmins boast they are the only people
of capable being compassionate and selfless.
Everyone heard of brahmins receiving services/presents from hindus,
but nobody has heard of a brahmin being compassionate and selfless.
Everybody has heard of brahmins cursing others without understanding
why poor hindus are unable to fulfill the mental perception of
brahmins.
No brahmin is known to be compassionate and selfless, then why
are you insisting that people should accept compassion and
selflessness as attributes of brahmins???
Instead, if you say boasting,
self-praising, envies,
crookedness, laziness, racist and arrogance as attributes of
brahmins,
it will be more apt and appropriate and people could easily understand
from the examples they see around.
----From hindu epics-------------------------------------------------
When Viswamtran asked a cow from Vasiastan. Being a brahmin, Vasistan
was so selfish
and he immediately denied it
and in addition, he killed forces of Viswamitran.
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devoted to God, selfless, compassionate. They advise others on their
duties and teach them- see message 42. Hence they are wise. Simple.
They are brahmanas in shastras. Very simple. Problem? See message 42.
In a social system, several millions of people are insulted, tortured
and
denied justice, and few million brahmins with their agents(upper
varnnas)
and their coolies(BC/OBC)
live shamelessly on the tears, sweat and blood of others. Meantime,
the most 'compassionate' and
'selfless' people engage in spreading the age-old criteria of
brahminhood
to help blood-sucking-brahmins, who block progress of the nation.
The most compassionate and selfless people cannot just understand
grief of millions of people, and they cannot devise a solution for it.
are compassionate, selfless, don't work for money, etc?
Are they fully devoted to God and perform the six categories of tasks
as I said before in message 42? Then they cannot be imbeciles! Simple.
The wise are
piridhin noy thannoy pol potraakadai. Read at least Kural if not
Valmiki to know about Hindu culture and the duties of brahmanas and
their nature. Andhanar enbor aravor matrevvuyirkkum senthanmai
poondozhugalaan etc etc. Also know aravaazhi andhanar thaaL etc.
That is why I said submitting to a brahmana is a previlege.
Firstly I am glad you are not using abusive language.
Secondly, you responded. Thirdly, you read message 42.
I cannot do more,unless you start thinking and shed your rage.
You need not be angry, as you are sucking blood of poor Dalit victims
hunted and trapped
by your agents known as hindus(esp. ksatriya, vysya, baniaya, kayastha
etc.).
[ksatriya, vysya, baniaya, kayastha are various varnnas in VD]
selfless,
but it is now your turn to produce a brahmin as per your criteria for
google-reades
to verify and identify the species.
In the name of this non-existing species, in last thousands years,
millions
of people butchered, robbed, abused, insulted, ridiculed. Nobody was
there
to listen cries of this unfortunate people. Nobody was there to tell
their stories.
Nobody was there to care these unfortunate people. Nobody was there
to shelter them,
protect them. But so many 'sastrass' (science), 'neethy' (justice and
justifications)
are written to explain how to shun them, how to insult them, how to
torture them and how to justify hindus' torturing them.
And the most 'compassionate' and 'selfless' people take pride in this
social system. The most 'compassionate' and 'selfless' people squeal
that they are people of merit and ask the government to all assistance
to poor people.
Every body knows one cannot be a brahmin without being arrogant,
scornful,
holier-than-thou attitude, incapable of empathetic and highly
prejudiced,
demanding, always-finding-fault-with-others,
incapable-of-understanding-others-views&feelings,
highly-opinionated-about-actions-of-others and
abusing-ideas-of-others.
You can verify this simple fact by reading posts of hindus/brahmins to
Google
or observing hindus/brahmins in India/outside-India. Hindu is the one
who buys
bullshits of brahmins. They are comparatively less arrogant, with
pleasing personality,
with inferiority-complex, with no creative talent and with no thinking
skills. They simply cannot think
other than doing the drudgery assigned to them by brahmins.
Brahmins show creative talents in how to insult a non-brahmin.
If a brahmin neglects you, it means he is afraid of you in your
attracting
power over his slaves (known as hindus). They divide people and make
people
enemies each other by praising one(usually most powerful and
influential)
and ditching the other (usually poor and weak). Brahmins are always
keen on promoting and empowering his people. They are afraid (perhaps
envious)
of ordinary human values(like empathy, cooperation, compassion) with
human beings,
and some times one may wonder whether brahmins are human beings.
[Hindus claim there are only four varnnas. Brahmins use these kind of
ideas to bluff
hindus. They quote from hindu-scriptures to support their claim. But
nobody
(even brahmins&hindus) cares and follows hindu scriptures. They use
hindu scriptures
to exploit people. Varnna System revolves around the idea that people
should be
divided and there should be a graded hierarchy of contempt.
Presently there are around 6000 varnnas in hindu society.]
TEMPLES "
From: Great Parayan (***@blackplanet.com)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS DESTROYED HINDU TEMPLES
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, alt.bonehead.jai-maharaj,
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soc.culture.indian.marathi
Date: 2004-04-19 03:00:19 PST
==============================================================================
In this thread and other threads, I have asked several times to
produce a brahmin
who fulfills the hindus' criteria of brahminhood.
It is presumed that no such brahmin exists!!!
Now some more questions.
1. Any fake brahmins who claim brahminhood and recievr service from
hindus in the name
of their brahminhood?
2. Is it sin as per hinduism to serve a fake brahmin?
3. Is it sin as per hinduism to serve a non-brahmin?
You have obviously never studied Valmiki and write profusely about him.
Valmiki support your racist ideas. But You failed to give any quotes
from Valmiki
to support your points.
I haven't written about Valmiki at all.
Please check message 59. Your answers ( apart ) are given below. TellYou claimed Valmiki substantiate your points. Now it becomes others
burden to learn and find
out how Valmiki substantiate your points. You demand google-readers
should
learn Valmiki and answers your questions. Oh, I see, you cannot work
and others should serve your purpose.
==========================================================
All this is in Valmiki, if you care to study. No secrets.
Surely Valmiki didn't say it was inside himself that Ravana foundRama!
Now this is so clearly explained in Valmiki. I am shocked no one cares
to read that and just spews his own thoughts.
Valmiki is very very clear.
Clear as mud. He doesn't give one any idea of where one may find Godto read that and just spews his own thoughts.
Valmiki is very very clear.
in order that one may attempt to conquer him.
In message 42, when you find that a bhangi can meet your previously
stated requirements for being a brahmana, you come up with a new set
of requirements.
I clearly said bhangis cannot be brahmanas! You did not get it!stated requirements for being a brahmana, you come up with a new set
of requirements.
known
as Varnna Darma(VD). They are given job of cleaning cleaning as
duty of their varnna. Hindus regard Bhangies that theyare destined so
by hindu gods.]
As a brahmin, one thing is clear to you. A bhamgi and other Dalits
cannot be
caompassinate and selfless.
Please
read again message 42. I explained it. If I say a doctor is one who
knows how to diagnose illness etc and has to be qualified for such,
you seem to say why not
consider a carpenter as a doctor! The two are different. Very simple.
[Indian culture give more freedom to Doctors than to Carpenters.read again message 42. I explained it. If I say a doctor is one who
knows how to diagnose illness etc and has to be qualified for such,
you seem to say why not
consider a carpenter as a doctor! The two are different. Very simple.
It settle suits in favor Doctors to Carpenters. If you work and do not
harm others,
you will be insulted, abused and denied justice]
We understood. Carpenters and Doctors cannot be compassionate,
selfless, wise and supremely
devoted to God, as per hindu-wisdom.
Being a brahmin is engaging a profession
(like a doctor/carpenter engaging into theirs)
or an attitude/outlook toward the world???
A doctor can be carpenter and a carpenter can be a Doctor also.
A brahmin cannot visualize doctor/carpenter being compassionate and
selfless.
A brahmin cannot respect, care, love and support a non-brahmin.
A brahmin teaches loving, caring, serving and supporting a non-brahmin
is like empowering a Devil.
Every body knows all brahmins boast they are the only people
of capable being compassionate and selfless.
Everyone heard of brahmins receiving services/presents from hindus,
but nobody has heard of a brahmin being compassionate and selfless.
Everybody has heard of brahmins cursing others without understanding
why poor hindus are unable to fulfill the mental perception of
brahmins.
No brahmin is known to be compassionate and selfless, then why
are you insisting that people should accept compassion and
selflessness as attributes of brahmins???
Instead, if you say boasting,
self-praising, envies,
crookedness, laziness, racist and arrogance as attributes of
brahmins,
it will be more apt and appropriate and people could easily understand
from the examples they see around.
----From hindu epics-------------------------------------------------
When Viswamtran asked a cow from Vasiastan. Being a brahmin, Vasistan
was so selfish
and he immediately denied it
and in addition, he killed forces of Viswamitran.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
If Radhakrishnan said that in all societies, all important actions
have to be decided by brahmanas, he was an ulluu; few societies let
"picchakaar" direct any important actions, leave alone all important
actions. If he said "wise men", he might have been onto something but
God alone knows how you deduced that wise men meant brahmanas; wise
men are just that - wise men, not brahmanas.
You wanted, a definition of brahmanas. I gave one. They are supremelyhave to be decided by brahmanas, he was an ulluu; few societies let
"picchakaar" direct any important actions, leave alone all important
actions. If he said "wise men", he might have been onto something but
God alone knows how you deduced that wise men meant brahmanas; wise
men are just that - wise men, not brahmanas.
devoted to God, selfless, compassionate. They advise others on their
duties and teach them- see message 42. Hence they are wise. Simple.
They are brahmanas in shastras. Very simple. Problem? See message 42.
and
denied justice, and few million brahmins with their agents(upper
varnnas)
and their coolies(BC/OBC)
live shamelessly on the tears, sweat and blood of others. Meantime,
the most 'compassionate' and
'selfless' people engage in spreading the age-old criteria of
brahminhood
to help blood-sucking-brahmins, who block progress of the nation.
The most compassionate and selfless people cannot just understand
grief of millions of people, and they cannot devise a solution for it.
I am sorry to say you will lose miserably if you pursue
this debate as I may tell you things you never knew about Indian
civilisation
In Indian civilization, do imbeciles become wise merely because theythis debate as I may tell you things you never knew about Indian
civilisation
are compassionate, selfless, don't work for money, etc?
as I said before in message 42? Then they cannot be imbeciles! Simple.
The wise are
wise because they are wise, not because they are compassionate,
selfless, etc. The compassionate and selfless need not necessarily be
Wisdom is reflected in behaviour. Read Kural- Arivinaal aaguvadhundoselfless, etc. The compassionate and selfless need not necessarily be
piridhin noy thannoy pol potraakadai. Read at least Kural if not
Valmiki to know about Hindu culture and the duties of brahmanas and
their nature. Andhanar enbor aravor matrevvuyirkkum senthanmai
poondozhugalaan etc etc. Also know aravaazhi andhanar thaaL etc.
That is why I said submitting to a brahmana is a previlege.
Firstly I am glad you are not using abusive language.
Secondly, you responded. Thirdly, you read message 42.
I cannot do more,unless you start thinking and shed your rage.
hunted and trapped
by your agents known as hindus(esp. ksatriya, vysya, baniaya, kayastha
etc.).
[ksatriya, vysya, baniaya, kayastha are various varnnas in VD]
For
some reason you seem very angry. It baffles me. I used no abusive
language ever. The definition of brahmana from shastra is not what
*you* (or your absconding friend) think!
That is the problem
For arguments sake, we agree a Bhangi cannot be compassionate andsome reason you seem very angry. It baffles me. I used no abusive
language ever. The definition of brahmana from shastra is not what
*you* (or your absconding friend) think!
That is the problem
selfless,
but it is now your turn to produce a brahmin as per your criteria for
google-reades
to verify and identify the species.
In the name of this non-existing species, in last thousands years,
millions
of people butchered, robbed, abused, insulted, ridiculed. Nobody was
there
to listen cries of this unfortunate people. Nobody was there to tell
their stories.
Nobody was there to care these unfortunate people. Nobody was there
to shelter them,
protect them. But so many 'sastrass' (science), 'neethy' (justice and
justifications)
are written to explain how to shun them, how to insult them, how to
torture them and how to justify hindus' torturing them.
And the most 'compassionate' and 'selfless' people take pride in this
social system. The most 'compassionate' and 'selfless' people squeal
that they are people of merit and ask the government to all assistance
to poor people.
Every body knows one cannot be a brahmin without being arrogant,
scornful,
holier-than-thou attitude, incapable of empathetic and highly
prejudiced,
demanding, always-finding-fault-with-others,
incapable-of-understanding-others-views&feelings,
highly-opinionated-about-actions-of-others and
abusing-ideas-of-others.
You can verify this simple fact by reading posts of hindus/brahmins to
or observing hindus/brahmins in India/outside-India. Hindu is the one
who buys
bullshits of brahmins. They are comparatively less arrogant, with
pleasing personality,
with inferiority-complex, with no creative talent and with no thinking
skills. They simply cannot think
other than doing the drudgery assigned to them by brahmins.
Brahmins show creative talents in how to insult a non-brahmin.
If a brahmin neglects you, it means he is afraid of you in your
attracting
power over his slaves (known as hindus). They divide people and make
people
enemies each other by praising one(usually most powerful and
influential)
and ditching the other (usually poor and weak). Brahmins are always
keen on promoting and empowering his people. They are afraid (perhaps
envious)
of ordinary human values(like empathy, cooperation, compassion) with
human beings,
and some times one may wonder whether brahmins are human beings.
[Hindus claim there are only four varnnas. Brahmins use these kind of
ideas to bluff
hindus. They quote from hindu-scriptures to support their claim. But
nobody
(even brahmins&hindus) cares and follows hindu scriptures. They use
hindu scriptures
to exploit people. Varnna System revolves around the idea that people
should be
divided and there should be a graded hierarchy of contempt.
Presently there are around 6000 varnnas in hindu society.]